Agora SG exists to extend the Lordship of Jesus Christ in every area of our lives. Just as the Greek Agora was the marketplace of ideas and lifestyles, thus, the Agora SG's main purpose is to inspire the layperson to bring forth and articulate their faith in Christ into the world's market place of competing ideas, philosophies, and lifestyles. The Agora SG is also an avenue for the exchange of ideas, understanding and reflections on our own Christian faith amongst the people of God.
"to redeem the whole of creation."Where is that found in Scripture?
The Bible says the whole of creation is looking forward to the redemption that will occur when God, through Christ renews all things and puts all things under the sovereignty of the Father :)Romans 8:18-23 "I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies."
Dave,that is talking about what God will do. I was wondering if you have a verse that tells us as Christians to "redeem the whole of creation".
Well, that's like saying 'redeeming souls' is something God will do! And indeed, yes, and how glorious is that truth that God is the one who will redeem souls. But that truth does not negate the truth that Christians have a responsibility to evangelise heheheIn the same logic, redeeming whole creation is what God will do (not just part of creation called the soul, but the body as well! And the earth...)But that is hardly a good argument against the Christian's responsibilty to care for creation that God has made :)
Dave:I guess the idea is not creation care vs non creation care. It's about the concept of "redeeming creation". Are you interpreting that phrase to have the same meaning as "creation care"? Since the very concept of redemption implies payment of a debt, what debt may I ask are we paying to liberate creation?
Helo Daniel, so we are both zealous about creation care, i guess? Glad there is commonality hereAgain the analogy of 'redeeming souls' is helpful in 'redeeming creation'. Let's take 'redemption' to mean 'paying a debt'. Christ has won the victory and paid the debt on the cross, of course. That is the basis for the forgiveness of sins and the renewal of heaven and earth. So we dun have to die on the cross any more if that's wat ur asking :)Now since it is Christ's job to pay the debt on the cross, does that mean we can fold up our hands and do nothing? Well no, the church gotta roll up her sleeves and get down to the work of caring for creation and evangelising. And that involves some measure of suffering, sacrifice and tears and blood sometimes. :DAt least thats how I see it
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"to redeem the whole of creation."
Where is that found in Scripture?
The Bible says the whole of creation is looking forward to the redemption that will occur when God, through Christ renews all things and puts all things under the sovereignty of the Father :)
Romans 8:18-23
"I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies."
Dave,
that is talking about what God will do. I was wondering if you have a verse that tells us as Christians to "redeem the whole of creation".
Well, that's like saying 'redeeming souls' is something God will do!
And indeed, yes, and how glorious is that truth that God is the one who will redeem souls. But that truth does not negate the truth that Christians have a responsibility to evangelise hehehe
In the same logic, redeeming whole creation is what God will do (not just part of creation called the soul, but the body as well! And the earth...)
But that is hardly a good argument against the Christian's responsibilty to care for creation that God has made :)
Dave:
I guess the idea is not creation care vs non creation care. It's about the concept of "redeeming creation". Are you interpreting that phrase to have the same meaning as "creation care"? Since the very concept of redemption implies payment of a debt, what debt may I ask are we paying to liberate creation?
Helo Daniel, so we are both zealous about creation care, i guess? Glad there is commonality here
Again the analogy of 'redeeming souls' is helpful in 'redeeming creation'. Let's take 'redemption' to mean 'paying a debt'.
Christ has won the victory and paid the debt on the cross, of course. That is the basis for the forgiveness of sins and the renewal of heaven and earth. So we dun have to die on the cross any more if that's wat ur asking :)
Now since it is Christ's job to pay the debt on the cross, does that mean we can fold up our hands and do nothing? Well no, the church gotta roll up her sleeves and get down to the work of caring for creation and evangelising. And that involves some measure of suffering, sacrifice and tears and blood sometimes. :D
At least thats how I see it
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